Comments on: Ventilation: It’s Complicated https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/ Tue, 11 May 2021 19:07:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: George N. https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-132232 Thu, 01 Apr 2021 00:28:32 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-132232 Hi,

I live in Atlantic Canada. The winter 19-20 I insulated the walls of the hives with roof tar paper and 1″ white styrofoam. The top had only the styrofoam. I kept the inner cover on. I reduced the entrance to 1″. No upper hole/gap for ventilation. Each hive had a deep brood supper and a deep honey supper. The honey suppers had at the best 6 or 7 capped honey frames. In the spring I found lot of condensation, even mold in the hive. However the colonies were very strong and had eaten only several honey frames from the upper supper. And not many were dead in front of the hive through the winter. No need to say that spring cleaning come the bees cleaned all the mold. The 2020 summer I collected an average of 100 ponds of honey per hive. And the bees entered this winter with the upper honey supper packed at 100%. And I assume some honey in the brood supper as well. I built them cozies: outer walls insulated with 2″ of polyester fiber batting and a larger roof insulated with all the polyester fiber I could find in some old pillows, at least 5″ thick and fluffy. The bottom board is approximately insulated with a 1″ styrofoam board. Probably there are some gaps. The inner cover stayed in place covered by a 1/4″ clean plywood. No vents, actually I screwed this plywood to the inner cover. When it is cold outside, I remove the roof, squeeze my hand between the pillow filling and the plywood top and find it reasonably dry and warm. Actually quite warm right above the oval opening in the inner cover. The roof developed some mold from some condensation. Probably next year I will rebuild it as a gable instead of flat and add two gable vents (holes) for cross ventilation. I don’t have many dead bees in front of the hives. The temperatures are now up and down below freezing. Monday was a warmer day, and the bees started to bring a little bit of pollen (alder? black willow?) and clean the hives. They didn’t bring out many dead bees, just a few. Nor they try to vent at the hive entrance. I am looking forward to seeing if they did well this winter but it is too early now. I hope that that warm top spot on the plywood didn’t lie to me. And I will see what warm (I think) moisture did to them. It cannot be worse than the winter before.

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By: Chance https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-125784 Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:47:15 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-125784 I figured I’d see Ed Clark’s ancient book “Constructive Beekeeping” mentioned but alas, I must mention it. He was the first and only person I ever read clearly articulate the reasons bees need zero extra ventilation and super insulated hives. Moisture and condensation problems cease to exist when the bees headspace is warm, when their hive walls are thick, and when the entire cavity is propolized. In fact they keep the headspace so warm that no moisture condenses there but rather since the walls are cool and they have been propolized the moisture condenses perfectly on them and this water the bees need during winter. Ed Clark also articulates how ripening honey is far more efficient in super insulated hives with cool, propolized walls than in hives with “extra ventilation”. Ed Clark’s work deserves so much more attention, but I’m glad you’ve taken steps to teach people about the importance of some of these concepts.

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By: Gail https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-109096 Thu, 21 May 2020 23:53:07 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-109096 Thank you for the wonderful perspective and advice!

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By: Susan Chernak McElroy https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-71299 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:18:22 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-71299 In reply to Jon.

Jon, I love innovation! Your hives sound GREAT. In our area many beekeepers are inventing hives that are better for bees, and having success with it!

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By: Jon https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-71297 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 00:30:25 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-71297 I have built hive making a frame which exists as a type of skeleton with pieces of 2×1 timber with the mid sections consisting of 150 mm double sided aluminium coated styrofoam as used for some home insulation. It makes for a super light hive box and its insulation properties are almost as good as a brought one and much more solid. The frame can be easily refilled if the old insulation is damaged. Using a fly wire screen bottom board in summer prevents wax moth it seems and prevents a high humidity. The bees are thriving. Its an experiment which appears to bee working…
PS jokingly my bees are not threatened, they work voluntarily.. Just in case all other threatened bees are visited by those greenies who claim we are somehow are doing them harm….

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By: Susan https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-59649 Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:21:47 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-59649 In reply to Marta.

You know, I don’t know enough about R values to say. I do know that I’m so disgusted with the lack of insulation in our flimsy wooden hives that I’ve gotten rid of all but one and put my bees in skeps this year–five of them! From my reading, skeps are the next best thing to log hives for bees. I can’t lift logs, so I’ll have to settle for second best for my bees!

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By: Marta https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-59648 Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:15:34 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-59648 You’ve hit the nail on the head about insulation. Why does no one talk about the natural hive built in thick-walled trees?
What R value do you think we should aim for?

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By: Daniel Moore https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-52683 Thu, 08 Jun 2017 13:19:02 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-52683 I am new to bee keeping. I am very interested in learning and actively keeping bees. I am very aware of the importance of bees. Not just for what they produce, but for our survival. I am looking forward to reading and learning as much as I can.

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By: Susan Chernak McElroy https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-42653 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:13:19 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-42653 In reply to Kami Larson.

Kami, I’ve drilled upper entrances into all my hives. On a lower, reduced entrance in winter, bees can die and clog it up. Then the hive does indeed go crazy!

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By: Susan Chernak McElroy https://www.keepingbackyardbees.com/ventilation-its-complicated/#comment-42652 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:11:24 +0000 http://backyardbees.wpengine.com/?p=3045#comment-42652 In reply to Julia Lenz.

Hi Julia: I have two top bar hives that I won’t use until I can get insulation panels on them. The more I read about hives, the more I feel we are all missing the insulation boat here. According to research that’s been done, log hives are the most well insulated, followed by polystyrene hives and straw skeps (which are both the same for insulation). At the bottom are all of our wooden hives, which offer no insulation. AND–insulation is actually more important in the summer, which is so counter-intuitive!

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